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发表于 2011-8-11 16:20 | 显示全部楼层
美国国家民主基金会2008年中国工资单                       



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NED 2008年工资单

美国国家民主基金会2008年面向中国(分为中国、中国香港、西藏、新疆四部分)地区的资助情况

1.中国大陆

China

Rule of Law and Public Participation 法治与公共参与 组织
$180,913
To strengthen the rule of law, enhance citizens’ awareness of their legal rights, enhance norms of access to information and the free flow of information, and broaden participation in public policy debates.

American Center for International Labor Solidarity 美国国 际团 结工会中心
$294,058
To empower workers, promote government accountability, and improve access to justice in China. The Solidarity Center, in cooperation with local partners, will sponsor research, education programs, trainings, and seminars to build effective networks in specific industrial sectors, as well as enhance the capacity of stakeholders to initiate viable labor regulation reforms related to worker safety and health.

American Center for International Labor Solidarity
$134,454
To promote labor rights and government accountability. The Solidarity Center’s partner organization conducts in-depth research on labor issues, disseminates a variety of research and educational publications, and engages in related legal aid and advocacy activities.

American Center for International Labor Solidarity
$120,418
To promote labor rights in China. The Solidarity Center will cooperate with local partners to conduct trainings and other outreach activities to raise awareness of labor rights, particularly as they relate to occupational safety and health.

American Center for International Labor Solidarity
$40,000
To promote awareness among Chinese workers of their rights. The Solidarity Center and its partner will continue distribution of its worker rights information CDs inside China as well as frequent interviews with the international and Chinese press.

American Center for International Labor Solidarity
$40,000*
To strengthen enforcement of the Labor Contract Law and other labor protections in China. The Solidarity Center’s partner organization will conduct education workshops for workers, and publish and distribute a study guide regarding the Labor Contract Law and other relevant regulations.

American Federation of Teachers Educational Foundation (AFTEF)
$40,000
To encourage the introduction of democratic teaching methods in classrooms. The AFTEF will assist local partners to conduct a variety of workshops and produce educational materials for distribution in hard copy and on the Internet.

Asia Catalyst
$15,000*
To function as a regional forum and facilitate cross-border linkages among NGOs. Asia Catalyst will develop a Chinese-language informational website that will include resources for NGOs and post information about human rights, social justice, and environmental protection initiatives.

Beijing Dongzhen-Nalan Cultural Communication Co., Limited (BDNCCC)
$36,500 *
To strengthen civil society and advance respect for human rights. BDNCCC will facilitate several trainings for civic groups to introduce to participants basic concepts of human rights and organizational development skills。

Beijing Spring Magazine
$180,000*
To publish the monthly Chinese-language magazine Beijing Spring.

Beijing Yirenping Information & Counseling Center, LLC
$70,000*
To promote the rule of law and the development of public interest law in China. The Center will maintain a telephone hotline to provide citizens with legal aid, conduct research regarding legal reforms and produce related public reports, make policy recommendations to relevant authorities, and hold a discussion series for lawyers and concerned citizens.

Beijing Zhiaixing Information Counseling Company Limited
$235,000*
To operate a diverse program promoting accountability and human rights. The work of the organization will include legal aid, investigative reporting, activist training, and human rights documentation related to HIV/AIDS and other public health threats.

Celeluck Company, Ltd.
$100,000*
To promote free discussion and analysis of current events and political issues. Celeluck will publish a series of Chinese-language books on issues related to the future of democracy and human rights in China. The organization will also continue to issue its monthly periodical, Open Magazine, known for its exposés and timely analysis of trends and newsworthy events in China.

Center for International Private Enterprise (CIPE)
$167,708
To enhance the capacity of business associations and other NGOs. CIPE and its partner organization will collect and disseminate information on management best practices, and publish a guidebook promoting a better model of self-governance for independent organizations.

Center for International Private Enterprise (CIPE)
$26,133
To encourage good governance and enhance private-sector participation in public policy debates on key reform issues. CIPE will support local partners in China to conduct regular symposia on China’s economic and governance reforms, in which independent voices can engage government officials in policy discussions.

Center for International Private Enterprise (CIPE)
$94,182
To encourage advocacy efforts by raising awareness of key reform issues. CIPE will work with its partner in China to hold weekly policy forums. These forums will focus on themes such as political and economic reforms, civil society development, and social justice.

Center for Modern China
$261,000*
To maintain a forum for informed and responsible debate of public policy questions. The Center will publish Modern China Studies, a quarterly Chinese-language scholarly journal that features economic and social science research concerning liberal, democratic solutions to contemporary policy questions in China. In addition, the Center will engage in a historical memory project that gives voice to alternative views of an important historical event.

China Aid Association
$75,000*
To promote religious freedom in China. China Aid will publish the Chinese Law & Religion Monitor, a semi-annual journal containing analysis and documentation of religious issues and human rights abuses suffered by religious believers. China Aid will also maintain an online library of reference materials, including Chinese- and English-language full-text copies of laws and regulations governing religious practices in China.

China Free Press
$140,000
To expand the space for free expression. China Free Press will host banned and censored Chinese pro-democracy websites that provide a platform for discussion and debate on current events and pressing social, political and economic questions facing China. China Free Press will also maintain a dedicated civil rights page as a forum for reports, commentary, and appeals by citizens.

China Information Center
$410,000*
To provide an alternative source of news and opinion for audiences in China. The Center will disseminate news, commentary, and independent analysis of developments in China and important international events through two Chinese-language websites and an email list.

Democratic China, Inc.
$150,000
To promote well-informed and uncensored dialogue on issues relevant to China’s political development. The grantee will publish weekly the online Chinese-language magazine Minzhu Zhongguo (Democratic China), which carries news and analysis by authors inside and outside of China regarding current affairs, culture, history, and international relations.

Friends of China Labour Bulletin
$80,000*
To promote labor rights and government accountability. The organization conducts in-depth research on labor issues, disseminates a variety of research and educational publications, and engages in related legal aid and advocacy activities.

Human Rights in China (HRIC)
$430,000*
To advance internationally recognized human rights in China. HRIC facilitates the work of domestic groups in building an effective agenda for social, legal, and political development through collaborative research and education, print and electronic publications, and advocacy.

Independent Chinese PEN Center
$152,350*
To promote freedom of expression in China. Activities will include translation of materials on freedom of expression into Chinese, publishing banned materials to enable Chinese readers to have access to diverse views and literary works despite official censorship, and organizing domestic and international advocacy campaigns on behalf of imprisoned writers and journalists.

Initiatives for China
$75,000
To promote inter-ethnic understanding, mutual trust, and cooperation among prodemocracy activists from different ethnic groups in China. Initiatives for China will organize an inter-ethnic conference with conflict resolution workshops and panel discussions on democracy, human rights, and religious freedom.

International Republican Institute (IRI)
$400,000
To expand the space for civic engagement in China by supporting citizen groups and coalitions. The program will help strengthen the capacity of Chinese civic organizations and coalitions by providing opportunities for international exchange and by supporting partner organizations’ research, monitoring, and education activities.

International Republican Institute (IRI)
$45,000*
To promote legislative and legal reform on workplace and property rights discrimination. IRI will facilitate the work of its partner organization to conduct research and education activities, hold workshops, and develop and distribute a training handbook, model guidelines, reports, and other publications.

Laogai Research Foundation
$280,000
To campaign for the abolition of the laogai labor camps. The Foundation will carry out investigation and documentation of the Chinese system of labor camps, while also undertaking a program of timely research exposing other human rights problems in China.

Princeton China Initiative
$115,000
To promote media freedoms and civic engagement via the Internet in China. The program will bring together specialists in Internet technology to exchange information and create online tools that can be used by ordinary Chinese citizens, journalists and social activists for “citizen journalism” and civic-oriented, open communication.

Princeton China Initiative
$210,000
To promote human rights in China. The Princeton China Initiative will carry out a broad program of support for human rights projects to enhance transparency, accountability, legal knowledge, and access to justice.

Princeton China Initiative
$120,000
To provide an effective forum for free expression and stimulate liberal debate on China’s international role. Princeton China Initiative will publish China in Perspective Magazine, which will provide a pluralistic platform for Chinese writers to discuss issues related to comparative democratization, Chinese foreign policy making, responsible international behavior, and nationalism.

Southern Mongolian Human Rights Information Center (SMHRIC)
$75,000
To advance the human rights of ethnic Mongols in China. SMHRIC will report on the human rights conditions in Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, also known as Southern Mongolia, through a website and an English- and Mongolian- language electronic publication, Southern Mongolia Watch.


2。中国西藏
China (Tibet)

Gu-Chu-Sum Movement of Tibet
$60,000
To provide support to Tibetan political prisoners and educate Tibetans in exile about human rights conditions in China.

International Campaign for Tibet (ICT)
$53,000
To improve understanding of human rights and democracy-related concerns in Tibet among Chinese, both in China and abroad, and increase communication between Tibetans and Chinese.

Khawa Karpo -Tibet Culture Centre
$25,500 *
To provide news and analysis to the Tibetan public and promote greater discussion and debate on current issues related to Tibet and Tibetans.

International Tibet Support Network (ITSN)
$45,000 *
To coordinate and build the capacity of the worldwide Tibet movement through a series of meetings, trainings, and workshops.

Social Economic and Cultural Development Fund
$20,000 *
To increase Tibetans’ access to information by maintaining a library and learning center.

Tibet Museum
$15,000 *
A Dharamsala-based museum。
To preserve and present material related to modern Tibetan history and educate visitors about the Tibetan culture and people.

Tibetan Literacy Society
$30,000*
To provide the Tibetan public with independent and accurate information on developments in Tibet and in the exile community, and promote open discussion among intellectuals and a general readership on civic issues, including human rights and democracy. The Tibetan Literacy Society will publish and distribute throughout the Tibetan community in exile and in Tibet Bod-Kyi-Dus-Bab (Tibet Times), a Tibetan-language newspaper published three times a month.

Tibetan Parliamentary and Policy Research Centre (TPPRC)
$25,000*
To improve the understanding of elected Tibetan parliamentarians-in-exile on the Tibetan Charter and institutions of the Tibetan government-in-exile as well as the structure and functions of the Chinese political and legal systems.

Tibetan Review Trust Society
$30,000 *
To promote freedom of the press and improve understanding of democratic concepts in the Tibetan exile community.

Tibetan Women's Association (Central)
$15,000 *
To promote the social, political, and economic empowerment of Tibetan refugee women and raise awareness of human rights violations against women in Tibet.

Voice of Tibet
$33,430*
To encourage and sustain independent public opinion inside Tibet and to familiarize Tibetans with the ideals of democracy and human rights. The Voice of Tibet, an independent, Tibetan-language shortwave radio station, will broadcast regular news about Tibet, the Tibetan exile community, and the Tibetan government-in-exile to listeners in Tibet and in neighboring countries.


3.中国新疆
China (Xinjiang)

International Uyghur Human Rights and Democracy Foundation
$134,805
To advance the human rights of ethnic Uyghur women and children.

International Uyghur PEN Club
$20,300
To promote freedom of expression for writers creating work in the Uyghur language.

Uyghur American Association (UAA)
$269,000
To raise awareness of Uyghur human rights issues and advance Uyghurs’ religious freedom and human rights. The UAA’s Uyghur Human Rights Project will research, document and bring to international attention, independent and accurate information about human rights violations affecting the Turkic populations of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.

World Uyghur Congress
$146,000
To strengthen advocacy on behalf of Uyghur human rights and democracy.


4.中国香港

China (Hong Kong)

American Center for International Labor Solidarity
$125,456
To foster freedom of association and other worker rights in China and Hong Kong.

Civic Exchange
$59,967*

Hong Kong Human Rights Monitor
$170,000*

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发表于 2011-8-11 16:28 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lovesummerwine 于 2011-8-11 16:29 编辑
实心馒头 发表于 2011-8-11 16:08
美国国家民主基金会对华台面资助清单 链接: war点jinbushe点org/index点php?doc-view-16点html

3w点cct ...


维基百科当中已经写清楚了 National Endowment for Democracy 这个机构是做什么的,并向谁资助。白自黑字,清清楚楚。
胡佳是一个关注爱在中国AIDS现状的一个民主人士,爱知行研究所是他创立的。他拿到捐助的基金,可以更好的倡导防止AIDS,保护AIDS病人的权力有什么不好的吗?

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奏事 奏事  发表于 2011-8-11 19:27
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发表于 2011-8-11 16:50 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 实心馒头 于 2011-8-11 16:51 编辑
lovesummerwine 发表于 2011-8-11 16:28
维基百科当中已经写清楚了 National Endowment for Democracy 这个机构是做什么的,并向谁资助。白自黑 ...


以上已经列出了该机构向谁资助和资助的金额,都翻译自ned的主页,请问哪个更有说服力?

胡佳我觉得他可能精神有点问题,。。。纯属个人感觉,他刚开始非常有社会责任感,这个我不否认,但是他后来从美国回来就变了。
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发表于 2011-8-11 17:01 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lovesummerwine 于 2011-8-11 17:03 编辑
实心馒头 发表于 2011-8-11 16:50
以上已经列出了该机构向谁资助和资助的金额,都翻译自ned的主页,请问哪个更有说服力?

胡佳我觉得他 ...


NED机构资助的名单是可以到官方网站去查,你想说明什么?
另外整个这些你copy过来,包括评论,根本也不是你写的,是别人翻译了一个美国人写的书的内容,我问你,书你看了吗? 余杰在香港出版的那个影帝的书,你怎么不copy过来,引用下?
另外胡佳后来倒底怎么你认为他精神不正常?
你不是跟很多当地官员一样,把那些去上访的老百姓都送到精神病院去治疗吧?
把这些你自己根本没有看过的东西的内容直接把人家的评论写过来,算不算造谣?
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-8-11 17:09 | 显示全部楼层
中国的馒头多少钱?空心的5分, 实心的5毛?


说说我的看法吧。
像胡佳和刘晓波等人在中国"营业执照"被禁止。他们应该怎样生活?
国外许多基金会公开支持这些被打压的人士有错吗? 他们不该有理想吗?
胡佳不是先拿别人的钱,替别人做事的。
而是他做了某些事以后,受到多方面的阻挠,导致他陷入经济困难的危机。(有这可能)
这个顺序不能弄乱了。
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发表于 2011-8-11 17:41 | 显示全部楼层
flyingbullet 发表于 2011-8-11 17:09
中国的馒头多少钱?空心的5分, 实心的5毛?

子弹兄,其实你大多数观点我还是相当赞同。
好奇想问一下,你认为中国当下的一系列问题应该如何解决?
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发表于 2011-8-11 17:46 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lovesummerwine 于 2011-8-11 17:47 编辑
实心馒头 发表于 2011-8-11 16:50
以上已经列出了该机构向谁资助和资助的金额,都翻译自ned的主页,请问哪个更有说服力?

胡佳我觉得他 ...


这位馒头哥, NED的全称都写的清清楚楚的人家是干吗的.
我就不明白你质疑什么呢?
人家至少把钱都捐给民主运动的机构的, 不像中国红十字会, 都捐给 锅MM 了.
别跟我说提倡民主的组织是违法的. 请参照中国宪法第三十五条.
还有, 民主运动,提倡民主, 人权, 怎么就变成反动,变成贬意的了?
你不是上个星期才来德国的吧???
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发表于 2011-8-11 17:50 | 显示全部楼层
frankfurthmk 发表于 2011-8-11 17:41
子弹兄,其实你大多数观点我还是相当赞同。
好奇想问一下,你认为中国当下的一系列问题应该如何解决?

要不你参照下我的另一个贴子?
如果你有什么意见, 就写清楚.
最好呢,你别都跟那些五毛一样,
意见,发言最后都TAIJIAN了.

https://dolc.de/forum.php?mod=vie ... d=179071&page=1
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发表于 2011-8-11 17:58 | 显示全部楼层
lovesummerwine 发表于 2011-8-11 17:50
要不你参照下我的另一个贴子?
如果你有什么意见, 就写清楚.
最好呢,你别都跟那些五毛一样,

我觉得呢,首先我希望讨论是基于探讨和交换信息,互相尊重的基础上进行的。不需要一开始就给人扣顶帽子。如果非得这样,请绕道走开。
第二,那个帖子里我没有找到答案。
第三,我比较想了解一下子弹兄的想法。
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:00 | 显示全部楼层
flyingbullet 发表于 2011-8-11 17:09
中国的馒头多少钱?空心的5分, 实心的5毛?

子弹。不懂政治来瞎搞什么?

美国人给他钱干什么?不就是看他可以给中国添堵。不符合美国国家利益的话,项目不早被国会砍了。说话也不要没有边际。

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你是说美国人做事首先都是为了自己国家的? 中国人做事都是为了国家而不是为了自己?  发表于 2011-8-13 13:12
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:04 | 显示全部楼层
lovesummerwine 发表于 2011-8-11 16:28
维基百科当中已经写清楚了 National Endowment for Democracy 这个机构是做什么的,并向谁资助。白自黑 ...

NED是CIA的一部分。
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:06 | 显示全部楼层
frankfurthmk 发表于 2011-8-11 17:58
我觉得呢,首先我希望讨论是基于探讨和交换信息,互相尊重的基础上进行的。不需要一开始就给人扣顶帽子。 ...

这位是宣传三百年殖民刘的宪章的。不同意他的意见,不是五毛是什么?
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:09 | 显示全部楼层
老大不小 发表于 2011-8-11 18:06
这位是宣传三百年殖民刘的宪章的。不同意他的意见,不是五毛是什么?

那只是个例子,而且我觉得写的很好.
谈什么上什么宣传.个人意见而已.
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:09 | 显示全部楼层
老大不小 发表于 2011-8-11 18:04
NED是CIA的一部分。

你从哪儿听来??
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:12 | 显示全部楼层
楼上2个民主斗士!我并不反对民主和人权!我跟你们的分歧不是在民主人权上面。而是警惕有人打着民主的幌子做着祸国殃民的事情。

中国能繁荣昌盛,百姓安居乐业,是不是我们中国人共同的愿望?之所以和你们两个还好好说话,就是因为我们还有这个共同点,至于有其他的分歧,都可以慢慢沟通的,是不是?



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你是如何理解祸国殃民的?  发表于 2011-8-13 13:14
你说得在理。不过补充点,我希望看到中国能繁荣昌盛,百姓安居乐业,权利得到保障,人人在法律面前可以平等。  发表于 2011-8-11 18:17
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:15 | 显示全部楼层
lovesummerwine 发表于 2011-8-11 18:09
那只是个例子,而且我觉得写的很好.
谈什么上什么宣传.个人意见而已.

你个人意见同意让中国殖民三百年。那还能说什么?
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:16 | 显示全部楼层
lovesummerwine 发表于 2011-8-11 18:09
你从哪儿听来??

你只读WIKI?装傻,还是真傻?
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:16 | 显示全部楼层
frankfurthmk 发表于 2011-8-11 17:58
我觉得呢,首先我希望讨论是基于探讨和交换信息,互相尊重的基础上进行的。不需要一开始就给人扣顶帽子。 ...

我也赞成你的提议.
至少你没问我, 我家人是不是给迫害了.或者怀疑我是不是轮子.
那我不打饶你跟他的讨论了.


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发表于 2011-8-11 18:18 | 显示全部楼层
实心馒头 发表于 2011-8-11 18:12
楼上2个民主斗士!我并不反对民主和人权!我跟你们的分歧不是在民主人权上面。而是警惕有人打着民主的幌子做 ...

他的使命就拿钱发帖。你跟他们有共同点吗?
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
实心馒头 发表于 2011-8-11 18:12
楼上2个民主斗士!我并不反对民主和人权!我跟你们的分歧不是在民主人权上面。而是警惕有人打着民主的幌子做 ...

其实我也在警惕呢.
你放心, 这点跟你出发点一样.
但是现在谁还能做到祸国殃民那么厉害?
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:20 | 显示全部楼层
老大不小 发表于 2011-8-11 18:16
你只读WIKI?装傻,还是真傻?

我装傻.
你是真傻.
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:22 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lovesummerwine 于 2011-8-11 18:22 编辑

另外, 民主斗士,这么大头衔,我可担不起.
赞成民主想法的,就都是民主斗士_
那德国八千万人口全是民主斗士?
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-8-11 18:24 | 显示全部楼层
frankfurthmk 发表于 2011-8-11 17:41
子弹兄,其实你大多数观点我还是相当赞同。
好奇想问一下,你认为中国当下的一系列问题应该如何解决?

哥么,你说的当下一系列问题是哪些问题?

我可以凭良心告诉你, 一个都不可以解决。

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发表于 2011-8-11 18:25 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lovesummerwine 于 2011-8-11 18:29 编辑
老大不小 发表于 2011-8-11 18:15
你个人意见同意让中国殖民三百年。那还能说什么?


他就那么一说, 你就抓住这一点,
因为我觉得他的宪章起草写的不错,
然后你就说我同意他的殖民的想法?
你说你不是真傻, 你是什么?

另外,再次提醒你, 大脑是用来思考的,不是装饰品.
请你好好考虑一下我的建议.
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:30 | 显示全部楼层
看清楚了,08年民主基金会向西藏新疆包括世维会提供了资金,支持他们在街头屠杀老百姓,这是在促进民主事业还是在挑拨民族仇恨,借刀杀人,分裂中国,制造骚乱?

事实上西方国家50多年来一直在暗中支持颠覆中共的活动,这时候你们又要说我五毛了。。。我不在乎中共是不是被颠覆,而是在乎中国人是不是能幸福生活。颠覆了中共,中国的就能民主了,就能幸福了?伊拉克民主自由了没有?埃及开始幸福生活了没有?

子弹说胡佳们做的是正义的事业,是理想,所以可以接受国外的资助,这个世界上有无缘无故的善款吗?更何况是有中情局背景的所为民主基金会,西方国家口口声声说他们援助非洲,在非洲做慈善,二战后也60年了吧,非洲现在是什么样子,民主了还是自由了?所以,真正的民主只有我们靠中国人自己才能实现。

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老维子 被王震 屠的还少吗?  发表于 2011-8-11 19:31
正解 但是 体制内的人是不会主动缴枪的  发表于 2011-8-11 18:35
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:32 | 显示全部楼层
实心馒头 发表于 2011-8-11 18:30
看清楚了,08年民主基金会向西藏新疆包括世维会提供了资金,支持他们在街头屠杀老百姓,这是在促进民主事业 ...
所以,真正的民主只有我们靠中国人自己才能实现。


就这句话,你总算说到点子上了.
我问你, 中国人自己不想民主吗?
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:35 | 显示全部楼层
flyingbullet 发表于 2011-8-11 18:24
哥么,你说的当下一系列问题是哪些问题?

我可以凭良心告诉你, 一个都不可以解决。

其实现在大家对当下中国问题比较不满,我想主要归结于几下几点
1. 贪污腐败
2. 信息不透明,没有足够的言论自由
3. 人情权利凌驾于法律之上,法律面前并非人人平等
4. 资源财富严重分配不均,贫富差距过大

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发表于 2011-8-11 18:38 | 显示全部楼层
lovesummerwine 发表于 2011-8-11 18:20
我装傻.
你是真傻.

你明知NED是CIA的附属,还问什么?
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:39 | 显示全部楼层
lovesummerwine 发表于 2011-8-11 18:25
他就那么一说, 你就抓住这一点,
因为我觉得他的宪章起草写的不错,
然后你就说我同意他的殖民的想法? ...

你同意他的殖民想法吗?
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发表于 2011-8-11 18:40 | 显示全部楼层
老大不小 发表于 2011-8-11 18:38
你明知NED是CIA的附属,还问什么?

我不知道.
你说的,所以才问你.

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